if you are on O2 they had no signal in Devon till mid afternoon
*says he who spent 20 minutes on hold to cust services - lucky I found their business cust services as opposed to the 50p per minute online cust services*
Fricken O2...yup. Been driving me nuts all sodding night/day!!
I enjoyed American Psycho immensely and so did my mother and sister, but none of us really thought it was shocking in a gorey way (though the greed and facelessness of all involved is rather appalling.) We just found it very very funny and a good source of daft family in-jokes. Many reviewers harp on about the author's facile attempts to shock but I'm not able to see it in that light personally, it seems more like black Ed Gorey-type humour to me, re-painted with an 80's pastel palette. That's not to say there isn't much in it that's original too.
I am enjoying the humour...but it's certainly not shocking in a gory way at all. Not that I was entirely hoping for that - but I've heard so much about that aspect of it from friends that I was seriously expecting something awful.
They did the same to me with Hannibal too - carped on for hours/days/weeks/months/years about how HIDEOUS and NASTY it all was - I wasted 2 hours watching it and was bored shitless lol!
Hehe the worst type of hype is when your parents won't let you watch something for years in case it scares you (my mother was very keen I stay away from Silence Of The Lambs when I was 12, for instance), and then you finally grow up and all these forbidden films turn out to be damp squibs. Except for Eraserhead hehe.
I should think so too!! My mother had a big debate with my father over letting us watch 'Ghostbusters' when it came out. Dad said yes, so we watched it lolol!!
(Had to watch all the Evil Deads/Hellraisers etc etc on video at a friends house...and Clockwork Orange at a party when I was seventeen - dubbed into swedish and subtitled in english!!)
Ah come on, surely it registered some shock value? The main problem with the book is it's noteriety. Plus people like to feel they're more sophisticated these days, mere brutality and such is no big deal, see it everyday.
Shock on it's own is nothing anyway, it's what it morphs into that's mor important. Shocked and appalled? Shocked and stunned? Shocked and excited? I agree, it is funny, darkly so, just some of the bits were beyond my expectations, and mulling them over in my mind, trying to imagine being there for real-
Ah never mind, I'm just someone with too much time on their hands hahah.
"Ah come on, surely it registered some shock value?"
No. The rat-cunt thing's been done before by Joyce Carol Oates and the rest is just a bit porny really. Tell yourself I'm just saying that to feel I'm more sophisticated if you want lol.
I don't think its a case of feeling sophisticated in being able to distance yourself - personally, its more a case of being inured to it these days. Shots of people jumping to their deaths during 9/11 - that sort of thing - tabloids rely on it to sell their papers, not entirely in wanting to honestly report something awful sometimes - but to satisfy a macabre want for worse and worse visually...
I think reading the graphic stuff is what spoils it for me - what really gets me quaking is the untold stories - the things that are suggested in the mind... And the explanation/suggestion of the thought processes behind the violence rather than the violent act itself. Like Hitchcock or Robert Bloch's 'Psycho'.
"what really gets me quaking is the untold stories - the things that are suggested in the mind"
I agree, for me a violent act is shocking mainly when it expresses and drives home the hours or months or years of agony that have led to it like a vile flower finally blooming; that and the way a violent act is like a stamp of insanity or evil on someone who was previously held to be "normal".
Agreed. I read it ages ago; I tend to take the stories I read and run with them, in my mind, and yes, the scheming, the mindgames that lead up to it are frightening.
All I'm saying is today the consumption of nasty things is so casual. It sadens me in a way. Ah sod it, just enjoy it.
American Psycho, believe me, some of the murders are seriously twisted, they even made me squirm. A good read though. Obviously if you're expecting really wild things, you know how it is, most of the time it won't live up to your expectations, especially with an imagination like yours, vampy :P Having said that, read the book, try to fit the incidents into a real life, then you feel how shocking they are.
I've tried. I've dreamt worse and woken up scared by my own imagination.
Think punching into soft flesh and ripping out the spinal cords through the backs of zombie-men copulating with each other in an ordinary setting - american diner - and then pulling out their eyes with my fingers while they turn to oozy stuff...and you get the idea of what I have going on in my sleep sometimes lol!
After too much red wine generally...
Quite honestly, this culture is so saturated with media depictions of real horrible things going on that the stuff I'm reading in AP seems so normal...
fingers crossed all goes well with the moving.. fingers crossed 'twill be a little closer to town/work/interesting people!
Fingers and toes crossed...thank gawd there's a bank holiday day at the start of september too.
Might need Ralphy and his van - if it's working again since it broke down on southside street after last wednesdays gig.
It will be easier to get about...won't have to walk in from Stoke - will be all downhill from Hartley to Mutley Plain huzzah!!
(though I'm trying not to think about uphill on the way home lol!)
hartley? oh, very nice...
hey.... you'll only be just up the road from me!
I enjoyed the thunder, rah!
I agree that what's not said is often far more scary than what is. Leaving things to the viewer/reader's own dark fears and imagination is far more effective than OTT goriness. It's sad that we all seem so inured to such horrors, but I guess that's the world we live in.
hugs and bats and howls in the night
The world is indeed a shithole - but so long as we make efforts not to add our own shit to it as well then at least we can make something positive out of our share.
If everybody did that/thought like that, then things might improve enough to make it bearable.
I have to admit, I found 'American Psycho' very shocking in its most gruesome moments Admittedly, however, I haven't really read much else like it as it isn't really my style of writing (as you said before, the horror lies within the unknown). Certain moments - won't mention in case of spoiling it - really made me feel... icky. *grin* I still love the book though.